Interview with Cleopatra
84Interview with Cleopatra – Queen of Egypt
Cleopatra – Last Pharaoh of Egypt
Until now I have been using my superhuman skills in superior, supernatural interviewing to talk with dead people – famous but altogether dead people – who were rulers of the masculine persuasion. Now it is time to talk with the Queen of Egypt – Cleopatra VII.
me – It’s a pleasure to meet you. Would you prefer that I address you as Queen Cleopatra or Pharaoh Cleopatra?
Cleopatra – Queen, Pharaoh, Shmaraoh – it’s all the same. My full name was Cleopatra VII Philadelphus Philopator Philopatris Thea Neotera. But that’s a mouthful. Why don’t you call me Cleo?
me – You know, Cleo, that as the queen of Egypt you are considered one of the greatest romantic heroines of all time.
Cleo – I was much more than that, but yes, that fact was brought home to me when I watched the videos you gave me of the film, “Cleopatra” – you know, the one with Elizabeth Tyler.
me – Taylor.
Cleo – That’s what I said. She and Richard Barton are such a handsome couple.
me – (I kept my mouth shut and didn’t say, ‘Burton’.)
Note: The 1963 movie, ‘Cleopatra,” with ElizabethTaylor and Richard Burton can be viewed in its entirety in the 25 You Tube videos displayed or cited at the end of this hub.
Early Years
me – When and where were you born?
Cleo – I was born in 69 B.C. in Alexandria, Egypt, the descendent of Macedonians who were established as rulers when Alexander the Great liberated Egypt from Persia (Iran) in 331 B.C. Ptolemy I was an ally of Alexander the Great and when Alexander died in 323 B.C., General Ptolemy assumed power over Egypt. This was the beginning of the Greek Ptolemaic Dynasty which lasted over three centuries.
Note: At the time, Alexandria was the capital city of Egypt and was populated largely by native Egyptians but the aristocracy was Greek.
My father was Ptolemy XII Auletes. He was called Auletes because he played the flute . . . badly. Before him there was Ptolemy I through XI – eleven in all – and my mother was Cleopatra V Tryphaena. I was named Cleopatra VII.
I know what you are thinking. Why were so many of us given the same name of either Ptolemy or Cleopatra? Why not different names?
me – Yes, the thought had occurred to me.
Books about Cleopatra
Cleopatra film Part One
Cleo – Using the same names was the Egyptian custom at the time. Although my family was of Greek heritage, they also adopted the Egyptian custom of intermarriage among royals – that is, pharaohs married their siblings. BTW, do you know what we called incest?
me – No, I haven’t a clue.
Cleo – . . . the game the whole family can play.
me – I didn’t know that old joke was that old.
Note: The Ptolemy family tree is complicated and incestuous – a product of its time. As an example, when Cleopatra’s father, Ptolemy XII Auletes married her mother, Cleopatra V Tryphaena, he was marrying his half-niece because she was the daughter of his half-sister-double-cousin, Queen Berenice III. Hi wife was also his first cousin because she was the daughter of his uncle, Ptolemy X Alexander. Any questions?
me – Did you have siblings, Cleo?
Cleo – Yes, two older sisters, Cleopatra VI Tryphaena, and Berenice IV, and a younger sister, Arsinoe IV, and two younger brothers, Ptolemy XIII and Ptolemy XIV. The custom of giving so many of us the same name was confusing as we grew up. When my mother called, ‘Ptolemy, come here,' three people showed up. And when my father called, ‘Cleopatra,’ all three of us answered.
me – How old were you when you became the Queen of Egypt?
Cleo – My father died in 51 B.C. and I ascended the throne. I was eighteen and married my brother, Ptolemy XIII, who was ten years old because custom decreed I have a consort. But not for one minute did I have any intention of sharing my power with him – the little brat.
me – How did you become the pharaoh? You were not the eldest daughter.
Cleo – To make a long story short, I loved my father but he was not an effective pharaoh. He ruled Egypt about as well as he played the flute.There was a rebellion and he was exiled to Rome for three years (58 – 55 B.C.). I accompanied him. My two older sisters, Cleopatra VI and Berenice IV, co-ruled Egypt during that period.
My father returned and with the help of Roman soldiers regained his rightful throne. My oldest sister, Cleo, had died – under suspicious circumstances. He had Berenice and her husband both beheaded.
me – I believe Vlad Dracula
may have learned that "beheading strategy" from your father.
Cleopatra film Part Two
Joint Reign
Cleo – After my father’s death, the political and economic instability that had plagued his reign continued - much like your America today. My empire suffered debilitating territorial losses as family members competed for control rather than governing - much like your Congress today. I tried to rule without my brother/husband. I signed official documents myself and minted coins only with my image.
me – Speaking of coins, was this coin one of those you minted?
Cleo – Of course not. That’s a vicious lie. Would any woman spend a fortune to mint a coin of herself looking like that?
That atrocious-looking coin was minted by the priests and ministers advising my brother who were worried I would upset their universe and anger the Roman force protecting the Ptolemaic Dynasty. I was too radical and refused to follow tradition and be subservient to my young brother so they could rule through him. They forced me into exile with my sister, Arsinoe, in 48 B.C.
Gaius Julius Caesar
me – Is that when Julius Caesar entered your life?
Cleo – It was more like me entering his. I planned to raise an army to regain my rightful throne but realized there was an easier way. Egypt still relied on Rome for protection, and I was the rightful ruler. Caesar made it easy for me by arriving in Egypt in 48 B.C. with an army of four thousand men to take control and installed himself in the royal palace.
me – Is that when you had yourself rolled up into a carpet and delivered to Caesar?
Cleo – I saw that scene in the movie, too, but that was just a fictional exaggeration. The truth is I bribed a loyal Italian servant and had myself delivered to Caesar in a sturdy sack, tied with string, and slung over my strong Sicilian servant’s shoulder.
I charmed Caesar with my exotic, alluring appearance, my wit, my persuasiveness, my ability to speak nine languages (I was the only one in my family who could also speak Egyptian), my intelligence, my humility (not really), and my unshakable belief that I was the daughter of the goddess, Isis. We fell in love the night we met and he reinstalled me as Egypt's queen.
Note: Cleo's brother/consort, Ptolemy XIII who was a teenager at that time, ordered the execution of Pompey the Great thinking this would please Caesar because they were in a civil war. But Caesar grieved over the death of Pompey who was his son-in-law (married to Caesar's daughter, Julia). Soon after Ptolemy XIII had a tragic accident and drowned in the Nile River. Hmmmmmm!
Cleopatra film Part Three
Cleopatra film Part Four
Cleopatra and Caesar
me – I know this is personal and you do not have to respond, but historians have conjectured that Caesar was your first … ?
Cleo – I could take the Fifth Amendment like many of your investment bankers and bank presidents, but yes, Julie-baby was my first love! He restored my throne but there was one condition. I had to marry my youngest brother, Ptolemy XIV, who was eleven at the time. Egyptian tradition, you know.
Caesar was infatuated with me as well as with my riches and extensive fleet of ships. And I needed him to accomplish my dream of a world empire. For our honeymoon, we took a Nile cruise for two months. The Oasis of the Seas cruise ship hadn't been built yet. I became pregnant almost immediately and our sweet son, Ptolemy Caesar was born in 47 B.C. We called him Caesarion or little Caesar.
me - Wasn't Caesar already married?
Cleo - Yes, but we were so in love he brought me, our son, and my entourage to Rome to live with him. This offended the conservative Republicans in the Senate - yes, we had them then, too. Caesar openly claimed Caesarion as his son and declared we would be married despite the laws in Rome against bigamy and marriages to foreigners.
The Ides of March
me - What happened on that date?
Cleo - My whole world came crashing down on March 15, 44 B.C. Due to a conspiracy by his Senators led by Brutus, Caesar was assassinated outside the Senate Building in Rome. They thought he was a threat to the Republic and was planning to be declared a king. I returned to Alexandria because he had not mentioned either me or our son in his will and I believed we were both in great danger.
me - What did you do when you returned to Egypt?
Cleo - My first order of the day was to lose my consort, Ptolemy XIV. I never asked questions but I believe he was poisoned. Then I established my son, Ptolemy XV Caesarion, who was three years old as my co-ruler.
Finally, I did extensive research - I certainly could have used the Internet if we had one - to learn who would be the next powerful ruler in Rome. There was only one answer. Marcus Antonius - Mark Antony!
Mark Antony
me - I remember reading that Mark Antony summoned you to gauge your loyalty to the Roman Empire.
Cleo - On stage, do you know how important it is to make an unforgettable entrance?
me - Such as?
Cleo - I decided to make an entrance Mark Antony would never forget. I had a large barge painted entirely in gold paint with a gold canopy. I was dressed as Venus wearing a flowing, diaphanous gown. The oarsmen were my handmaidens in sea sprite costumes. Half-naked young slaves with amazing abs wielded large fans over my recumbent form. We sailed the Red Sea in a cloud of enticing incense.
me - Did your theatrics work?
Cleo - Antony was overwhelmed to put it mildly. We did some serious partying for three months and he fell madly in love with me.
I was pregnant with twins when I returned to Egypt. Alexander Helios and Cleopatra Selene were born in 40 B.C.and Antony and I were married in 36 B.C. - the same year our third child, Ptolemy Philadelphus, was born.
me - Why did Antony marry Octavia when his wife, Fulvia, died?
Cleo - For political reasons, what else? Antony shared control of the Roman Empire with Octavian who was Caesar's grand-nephew and adopted son. Antony.agreed to marry Octavia, the sister of Octavian, to strengthen their relationship. They had two daughters - both named Antonia.Then Antony finally came home to me, the love of his life, and we arranged a marriage ceremony in 36 B.C.
Beginning of the End
me - What angered Octavian?
Cleo - Antony formally restored to me and Egypt the territory which we had lost control of. He left his new wife, Octavia, and daughters in Rome and moved into my palace as the resident consort.Then he officially recognized Caesarion as the son of Julius Caesar and proclaimed him the "King of kings." That was the straw that broke the camel's back - an old Egyptian saying. Octavian saw himself as the king of kings.
Antony's close relationship with me raised Roman concerns over his loyalties, and Octavian used that Roman resentment to gain support for a war against Antony and me. What was in it for Octavian? He was later named Emperor Augustus, ruler of the Roman and Egyptian Empires.
Cleopatra film Part Five
Cleopatra
The End
me - Forgive me, Cleo, if I am being insensitive but how did Antony die?
Cleo - After a fierce naval battle with Octavian's Roman forces near Actium, Greece, Antony and his men retreated back to Alexandria. There he fought bravely against a superior army to defend Egypt. As a last resort, we had planned an exile in a resort - like Dubai or Palm Springs or Boca Raton. But Antony received a message that I was dead and gave himself a mortal wound with his sword.
The rumor, of course, was false - planted by a member of Octavian's press corps - but it was too late to save Antony. I sent my son, Caesarion, to safety in India.The last thing I wanted was a humiliating return to Rome as Octavian's prize prisoner. On August 12, 30 B.C., I did the only thing possible. I committed suicide with the aid of an asp - a poisonous snake.
me - I have always wondered. Why an asp? Surely, that must have been painful. Why not a more painless death by poison?
Cleo - Our Egyptian beliefs at the time promised that death by snake bite would ensure immortality. I would live with the Gods - from whom I was descended. A deadly asp hidden in a large basket of figs was smuggled into the mausoleum I had built for myself. It did the job for me and my two handmaidens.
me - it also provided you the immortality you sought. Who can forget Cleopatra? One last question, my dear Cleo, what was your secret for attracting as lovers the two most powerful men in the Roman Empire?
Cleo - I can best answer that with a quote from Bill Shakespeare:
“Age cannot wither her, nor custom stale
Her infinite variety; other women cloy
The appetites they feed, but she makes hungry
Where most she satisfies ,,,”
me - Truer words were never spoken, er ... written. Ciao, Cleo.
Cleopatra's Children
Caesarion was lured back to Alexandria with the false promise of the kingdom of Egypt and executed by Octavian’s soldiers. Octavian wanted no competition for the Roman and Egyptian thrones. He was following the advice of Arius Didymus, the Greek philosopher who had said, “Too many Caesars is not good."
Cleopatra's children with Mark Antony were brought to Rome to be cared for by Antony's wife, Octavia.
Cleopatra's two sons would have posed a threat to Octavian when they became of age and were either murdered or died from illness.
Her daughter, Cleopatra Selene, survived, and was married to King Juba II of Numidia in Africa. The newlyweds were given the territory of Mauretania (present day Algeria) as a wedding present from Octavian.
© Copyright BJ Rakow 2010, 2011. All rights reserved.
Author, "Much of What You Know about Job Search Just Ain't So"
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You Tube videos Cleopatra film Parts 6 - 25. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00T3SXgy2w0 Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq-BvLc9mvE Part 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLiRQz4Wl14 Part 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-dspv6LJHM Part 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhfTTbdW_Hk Part 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNGSsgHdZCM Part 11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knbi8kyFY9k Part 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5S8c98Fm64 Part 13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKH69k7CBi8 Part 14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD9AyVB4iQc Part 15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6zLyQuARqY Part 16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSH0xy6F3dk Part 17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUb-PN289q0 Part 18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mES8W8u-EUY Part 19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRT2xapt8W8 Part 20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRvP_R654DY Part 21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbXdLGwEyRY Part 22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH3fQEwedU8 Part 23
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I've always had an interest in Cleopatra and read anything I found to do with her. You've done a great job here of sticking to the facts, though everything I read does say she was a very small woman and quite homely. Funny how money and power can make you beautiful. As far as murdering her family and such -- that was the times. Excellent hub. Rated up, way up. Lynda
I've been sort of eager for the Gaius Julius Caesar interview! I've wanted to tackle that topic, but not in your style; I think I'm intimidated by it, or something. I love how you throw your modern political barbs into the mix. You should just do a book, I'd read it for sure!
Very strange lot these Greeks, right?
Nice one! Who's next? I loved that movie with Elizabeth Tyler (LOL). Great interview.
You are the One and Only who could have brough so much information and humor together and come up with such a great history lesson. I am off to the Dracula interview right this moment and you will hear from me:-))) and I might even link it to my Dracula if it is not too offensive (LOL) again.
This is another masterpiece,so clever.I loved the movie,'Cleopatra'.Liz and Richard were a great team.I guess their love life was a disaster from day one,probably the only man she ever loved(guessing)i'm wondering who you will interview next? Thank you for a fun read.
That crazy Cleo had a high opinion of herself! I bet the coin was closer to her image in the mirror than Liz Tyler. Great writing embued with facts and comedy, making for a captivating and entertaining read.
Hi drbj,
It’s funny the similarities of Dick Barton and Elisa Tyler’s life’s with Cleo and Antony’s. Not quite so violent maybe.
This is interesting stuff though; I didn’t know that the latter Pharaohs were of Greek extraction. I didn’t know much about them at all - to be honest.
Well done, well researched and highly entertaining. For a tiny murderous and incest prone Queen she sure knew how to get what she wanted. And she had the power over men with her looks or was it her looks? hmmmmmm questionable. Put a big smile on my kisser and really enjoyed the humor you weaved into the history. Bravo...Rated Up Up and UP some more.
Loved it, drbj! The jokes about Tyler and incest were perfect. (That's what I said and "MY humility" (Not really) were both awesome comments too.)
That line about Ptolemy having an accident and drowning in the Nile was well played. Hmmmmmmm indeed!
You went to a lot of trouble to find all those videos and other links! I hope I find time to check them out. I loved that Shakespeare quote at the end. You ask the most interesting questions!
Thank you again for a great history lesson. It's very easy and delightful to read.
drbj – I enjoy these interviews of yours tremendously. My hat off for you! Gathering the most important facts and present it via ‘interviews’ (dialogue), is quite a challenge – but, of course, not for a genius like you :) When I was a little girl, I wanted to be a princess. Today I am so glad I was not born in that unfortunate circumstances – to know your own siblings or parent can poison you any day.... Today, of course, only with words and pictures. Who’s next? Don’t forget Queen Victoria, and Elizabeth 1.... Can I send you a list?
I loved this, drbj, as I knew I would. Although I had some background knowledge about Cleo, having done research for teaching Shakespeare, I learned a great deal from you. I, too, loved the movie. Btw, Dante places Cleopatra with the Carnal, not with the Suicides, just as he did Dido.
doc I was enraptured by the dialogue...so much better than the sad story of power hungry politicians. You do wonders with history. Keep it up!
Oh sigh - saying goodbye to Cleo makes me sad....death by an asp? Yuck! You know me and snakes. I was going to say I saw so many similarities between us until I remembered that salient part.
As usual, BJ you outdid yourself. The pics are hysterical - indeed with the chins and PhotoShop and love the coin dialogue. Hope old Julie got a big kick out of it from somewhere in the other world!
I should have thought of naming all our children the same - that would have worked better perhaps.
Absolutely brilliant again and thanks for giving us some history along with all the witty banter! You could interview me anytime as you do it so well. Maybe when I become Queen or Empress, I'll have my people contact you!
More excellent material for the book drbj,
I'm glad you cleared up that business about the coin. I had always assumed standards of beauty must have been wildly different back then!
I had read somewhere that her attraction was in her vibrant personality...as we know, that IS where true beauty lies.
You caught the historical ambivalence about her very well.... she was by far the most interesting Pharoah .. to me, anyway.
I love you and your abilities to talk to history!
Phoenix and I did a school field trip while in Turkey to a site where Cleo and Mark spend several days. Phoenix said she could feel the magic of the place.I think your writings have a little bit of magic too.
What a great way to present history...or any subject for that matter. It occurs to me that this would work well in schools. Very interesting and well done.
Life is full of coincidences. Earlier today I watched a repeat of last night's "The Daily Show" with Jon Stewart. He interviewed Stacy Schiff about her book "Cleopatra." She mentioned many things that were in your interview, including the fact that Cleopatra was Greek. It sounds like an interesting book.
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Very Good. You really bring the story to life. Thank you.
drbj,
Julius Caesar, Queen Elizabeth I, William Shakespeare, Sigmund Freud...? So many possibilities ...I think you might have to publish volumes 1, 2 and 3.
I promise, I NEVER had this much fun in History class (though I did have a great teacher). If we could just clone you and put at least 1 of you in all the school systems think of the knowledge and fun that could be had during school hours!!! I can almost bet the crime rate would drop (since you have the heads up on all the forms of punishments that have been used in the past), the children would be glued to their chairs in the fierce awesomeness of your tutelage!!
So the term 'Blue Blood' was well before the A.D. times then? Keeping it in the family, incest is best put your brother to the test? (ewww)
AWESOME Hub!! You Rock!!
..stunning and perfect - like your comments to me - lol lol - and stunning and perfect - and I'm not talkin' about Cleo Lane here - but me is talkin' 'bout someone as special as you!!!!!!
I love your interview series - everyone has a masterpiece - this is yours!!!!!
..thanks for the warm sentiments my dear friend - in fact I missed myself during this time too - lol lol lol
drbj - this interview series of your I applaud! I always loved history (still do) and reading about Cleopatria in this fashion really puts a whole new twist on who this Egyptian goddess was. I cant stop thinking of how a C-section got its real name which is what I kept thinking about while reading of Cleopatra's son Caesarion :)
Anyway, as always . . bravissima to you my friend! This was a true jewel.
Just so you know I am saving Genghis to read later tonight - you do know that I keep your Hubs saved so that I only read them when I know I have a few minutes. .. kinda my way of savoring the best of the best here on Hubpages
Another coincidence! Sunday's Parade magazine had an article on Stacy Schiff's book "Cleopatra"!
Your decision to doing this as an interview is absolutely fascinating. I thoughroughly enjoy reading them
Your interview of historical figures adds a fun dimension in reading History. The injected humor makes not only for interesting reading but also help us relieve tense facial muscles:)
Cleo is one of the most interesting women in history. Glad you made this interview. Thank you for displaying the links for the movie, too. :) If this hub was a lil movie, I'd enjoy it, too ;)
Oh now I get the whole snake thing, I missed the part about the after life before. That Cleopatra seemed to be a free spirit ahead of her time. I love your interviews, what a great collection and one I plan to enjoy again. Very well written and brillantly spoken by those you interview! Katie :)
Well done. Amazing details along with your usual entertaining humor. I did a paper on her when I was a kid. Fascinating person and era she lived in. Crazy baout the incest thing. Yikes. and boy does that actor resemble Marc Antony. I never really noticed before. I'll have to watch that movie again. I'ts been many many years. Great hub.
The game the whole family can play. :D
Your Hub is totally captivating. I love it! I learned an awful lot too that I did not know. You are an amazing writer! Thank you for this treasure. What talent you display.
Awesome..bookmarked..
Love it!!
Another awesome hub, drbj. Can I ask a favour- could you put a link to all your supernatural interview series from your profile- I recently learnt how to do this... you could put collective headings that link to a series of articles in your profile makes it easy to find them all together!
BTW I am coming to Florida in July!
Great hub. I really appreciate this.
Omg this saved my life i had a interview to do with Cleo and its due tomorrow so this definitely saved me thanks
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Darlene Sabella 17 months ago
OMG Boyfriend I love your interviews, even-though Cleo was a murder, her family or to anyone who got into her way, I guess she is worth talking to about now, maybe she sees thinks a little different Lalalalalalala Excellent hub I rate you way way up, love you, darski